Discussion about up and coming heavyweights – the 28-0 (23 KO’s) Denis Boytsov and 2008 Olympic heavyweight gold medalist Rachim Tschachkijew’s recent knockout victories spurs the latest Philip Anselmo e-roundtable discussion … featuring Lou DiBella and Johnny Bos.
Johnny Bos: I think Boytsov stops Povetkin.
Scoop Malinowski: Wow. Both of these heavyweights are beasts. America has nothing comparable or even close. What is wrong with the American system?
Johnny Bos: (Bos answers the question with a link to his interview at www.convictedartistmagazine.com.)
http://www.convictedartistmagazine.com/boxing/boxing-news/275-johnny-bos-interview-the-amateur-system-being-as-it-is-not-only-killed-the-amateur-system-it-killed-the-pros-.html
A highlight of the Q&A: Bos: Yep, sure the PAL’s, CYO’s, you don’t see them anymore. In fact right now you probably have ten times as many gyms in Florida than you do in New York. But it’s the ghetto gyms that got hurt. They couldn’t afford to pay all of the sanction fees and they all eventually wound up closing. It’s no secret that the best fighters were the hungriest fighters. The kids that wanted to work themselves out of the ghettos that wanted to make something of their life. On top of that, you had people in boxing for the love of the sport. Guys that wound run those gyms and dream every day that a world champion would come walking through those doors. That’s all been taken away. People say, well today’s kids all want to be football, baseball or basketball players, but hey, you have some of these 112, 118, 126, 135 pounders, they aren’t got no chance in those sports! Boxing has always been a sport that gave the odd man out or the poor kid a chance to make it. They would go into the gym, they would get equipment, and like I said, those shows they ran every month, those kids worked on each other better than the pros did. They had, I guess what you could call little league or sandlot boxing. It’s no different than a bunch of us guys going to Central Park, and play rough tackle football and no one would say a word. But, if we go there, set up a ring and put on 48 oz gloves (both writer and Johnny Bos laugh) and start to box each other, we could be arrested. I mean you want to see how dangerous football is, type in Lou Gehrig’s Disease to Google and then type in the search area football, and look how many of these guys die from that disease. I’m not saying that boxers don’t die from it too, but it is hidden a lot more in other sports than it is in boxing. When something happens in boxing, for example, Arturo Gatti, God rest his soul. He never made the headlines of the New York Daily News until he was killed.
Another thing, in boxing today, you could not take a kid out of a bad ass area, say New York, Philadelphia or Detroit and charge them $75 a month to train in the gym like these gyms do today. In order for a thirteen year old to do that today, he can do it two ways. One, he can hustle on the streets selling some weed or some coke and make some money that way, but you know what, once he starts making that money, do you think he’s going to want to fight? The only other way it’s done now, and if you notice, there is a tremendous increase in this way. It’s when the fathers pay the gym fees and when you look around boxing now, just about every decent amateur fighter that comes out of the US, has their father with them. That is because they are paying the gym dues. A kid without anybody to back them up isn’t going to be able to train. Those little ‘smokers were the back bone of boxing in the United States. You know I used to see, as well as you probably saw Bob, some tremendous amateur fights in those ‘smokers’. Mike Tyson and Gerry Cooney would participate in them, Hector Camacho Sr., Juan LaPorte, Alex Ramos; you know there were so many big names that took part in these ‘smokers’. Like I said, maybe a guy did get hurt once in a while, but you know what? I am sure that it was not the same odds that they had in getting hooked on drugs or getting killed gang banging! That is the place that some of the best boxers of the 70-80-90’s were heading! You know what, $75 a month is a lot of money to these kids, hell, it’s a lot of money to me and you Bob! But that is the kind of prices that they are charging in gyms in those areas. Now you can’t even afford to put gyms in those areas! So, it will be very hard for boxing to come back in these areas! Unless you have the pros subsidizing the amateurs like they do in other sports, I can’t see boxing gyms coming back to the areas that produced world champions.
Philip Anselmo: Fucking EXCELLENT interview Bosman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I suggest all of you read it, for real.
Scoop Malinowski: Great job, you are a boxing guru, everything you say makes sense except the Klitschkos would eat Tyson alive!
Johnny Bos: Klitschkos SHOULD RETIRE FOR THE GOOD OF BOXING AS LONG A THEY ARE CHAMPIONS THERE IS NO COMPITION IN THE HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION THE HEAVYWEIGHT S HAVE REDUCED FIGHTING ON THE COMP- ESPN 3 ITS NOT THAT I DONT THINK THEY ARE GREAT FIGHTERS THEY ARE MUCH TOO GOOD FOR ANYBODY ELSE AND I KNOW ITS NOT FAIR BUT WITHOUT THE Klitschkos THE HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION WOULD BE A VERY COMPETIVE DIVISION AND PEOPLE WOULD ONCE AGAIN WATCH HEAVYS AS LONG AS THE Klitschkos RULE THERE ARE NO FIGHTS THEY COMPETE IN THAT ARE THE LEAST BIT INTERESTING.
Scoop Malinowski: It is always awesome to see excellence, in art, nature, humanity, and also in heavyweight boxing. The Klitschkos exemplify excellence, domination, superior skills, power, strategy, speed and intelligence. It happens in sports, Secretariat, Usian Bolt, Nadal, Serena, the 72 Miami Dolphins, domination happens. They don’t talk about asking Bolt, Serena or Nadal to retire form their sports because they dominate. Rather than whine about it, just appreciate two of the greatest heavyweight champions of history. Why the fuck should they lower the bar for their competition? The competition has to raise their game to raise the sport. So far, there are no answers, no ways to offset the incredible amazing domination of the Klitschkos. The only ideas are to ask them to retire and whine about it.
Philip H. Anselmo: VERY well said Scoop. Where the fuck ARE the Holyfield’s and/or Tyson’s , L. Lewis… even Bowe, Golata, and of course IKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????=NFL/NBA…Ibeabuchi was a freak. Yep, the K bros are DOMINANT… if only Davey Haye had a pair of jewels.
Lou DiBella: To paraphrase Scarface “Fuck the heavyweight division, fuck Casper Gomez and fuck the fucking Klitschko brothers!”
Scoop Malinowski: Or Fuck! all the american failures who came, tried and failed to make exciting fights with the Klitschko Brothers who are just too DAMNED good?
Lou DiBella: Yeah, they’re good. Yeah, no one can beat them. Yeah, the American heavyweights suck. Klitschkos are boring and the stars of friggin ESPN3. I’m sick of them.
Scoop Malinowski: If Pauly Malignaggi was beating Cotto, Floyd, Pacquiao, Martinez and Hatton with his style, Lou you would be singing a different song!
Saverio Curcuru: I think Lou is looking to throw fists with Philip H. Anselmo. Arguing this topic with Phil and Scoop is NO win situation. They WILL NOT budge here.
Philip Anselmo: Awwwww Lou are you jealous you don’t have the “next big heavyweight”? hahaha. So, what would YOU DO if you were managing Wlad Klitschko? I can understand why you don’t like the K brothers Louis Di-Big-Fella, but like Larry Holmes and Lennox, both of them will be unbelievably appreciated AFTER they’re gone, for sure. Their accomplishments are HISTORIC… and their records speak for themselves. Between the two of them, they cleaned out the U.S., period. Without them, like Bos alluded to earlier, the division would be more even, sure, but do any of you really wanna see David Haye vs. Dennis Boystov? Ruslan Chagaev? Eddie Chambers? The only fight that makes sense here would be Adamek, and I’ll bet $100 bucks Davey fights Tomasz BEFORE he even considers fighting a K bro.
Lou DiBella: I would continue to fight stiffs in Europe on ESPN3, bore the world, make mega green and watch boxing die in America…Or he can help save the sport AND FIGHT HIS BROTHER. KLITSCHKO VS. KLITSCHKO. THAT’S THE ONLY KLITSCHKO FIGHT THAT MATTERS.
Philip Anselmo: Agreed. Having two dominant guys SUCKS for the sport, I’ll admit that because I don’t like it. Vitali should’ve retired after re-gaining the WBC belt (vs Sam Peter) and let Wlad have his “Time” while he’s in his prime…I wrote an article on this subject a long while back… here’s a link:
It’s very dated, but still relevant to the subject.
TO BE CONTINUED
